"It's both. There's some experience. I think of a guy like 'Petro' [Alex Pietrangelo]. He won with a goalie (Binnington, in 2019) who was kind of an unknown, so he knows it can happen. I don't want to call it magic, but if you get playing the right way, there is confidence in this league. There's different guys with stories like that. It wouldn't be the first thing I would think of either. I'd think you need an established guy. Well, maybe it's changing a little bit. If your team is good enough in front of him and you get the right guy in there, he just needs his opportunity. That's what has happened with [Adin] Hill and [Laurent] Brossoit. They've both played very well, but they're not relied on every night to be the driver to help us win games, so that's good. I think our guys do believe in our goaltenders, and they also believe that experience has taught them that guys will work harder to keep pucks out of the net as you go along. Our team has done that. You always wonder about that, will they check, who is going to be disciplined to check, who is going to protect leads, who is going to eat pucks when you need them to? Our experience has done that and I think a couple of the high-end teams didn't do it, didn't protect their leads, didn't close teams out, and now they're not playing."